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disclosure team baby you know what's

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going down i'm dj from calling all

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beings but here i'm ready to shout out

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the host of this program you know what

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i'm talking about we're talking about

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you know what i want to get a get can i

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get a witness

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for sheffield uk's own

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mr vinnie

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amen from finney adams and uap media uk

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we're talking about vinnie

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andy dan graham and dave and let me tell

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you something people they're not playing

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man

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they're not playing they're gonna bring

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disclosure okay to the uk these guys are

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not playing around grassroots movement

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and shout out to the uap excuse me the

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ufo twitter uk homie so we're talking

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about ryan davies we're talking about

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marco boyle andreas what's up brother

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we're talking about divine daisy girl

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ashley from liverpool and hampshire's

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own

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stevie keith nine let's stop

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vinnie's not the only one with blonde

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hair baby cause i got some too how you

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all right no the real me is coming back

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okay real me oh man that was incredible

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listen

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this is real me balding in and in style

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that was incredible man thank you thank

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you for being here man how are you thank

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you brother i'm i'm very happy to be

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here um it's it's not it's not often

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that people actually want to put up with

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me on air i think luis

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and the uh the big phone home too are

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the only people who've really wanted to

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put up with me on air so thank you for

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the invitation hey man

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my pleasure man um i think the first

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time i was aware of you was the big

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phone home too seeing you on that panel

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i was like this guy's incredible he's

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got such a

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a great background and before we go any

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further i've got to say happy veterans

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day to all the veterans out there so

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thank you for your service dj and to all

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my other veteran friends and every other

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veteran out there and we respect you and

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thank you for your service so

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yeah thank you so much man including the

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raf brothers um you all know me from the

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15th sos right what's up squadron leader

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i know you guys so i had a couple of

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brothers from uh from there simon clokey

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and uh rich waller and a couple other

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guys and mark cable can't forget about

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the first

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uk pilot we ever had mark cable from the

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47 squadron what's up

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there we go man i think over here it's

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remembrance day so to everyone in the uk

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happy remembrance day you know we've got

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to show our respect to to all these

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people that uh did what they did so yeah

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thank you everybody

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whoo

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yeah all right i'm still buzzing off

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that intro man

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namaste

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inhale vinnie

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herrera

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okay we're not gonna do yoga but we can

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do an online yoga later on that's later

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that sounds good man i'm guessing you've

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already done your yoga for the day am i

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right oh i did yoga i went in the water

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went swamped a little open water

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swimming and then uh i need to do

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something to get ready for you man

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man bless you thank you so much but

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listen this is going to be one of those

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conversations where we just let the

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conversation flow and it goes where it

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goes you know um but i you know as far

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as people finding out about you let's

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let's go back to where it all started i

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mean not

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literally where it all started but

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your early experiences and i believe you

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had a sighting at quite an early age do

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you mind talking about that

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yeah um i was on my parents ranch uh in

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suburban new york peak skill new york uh

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rural area and a friend of mine and i

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there was another 14 year old we're

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walking home

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we're sort of down in the valley so

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we're sort of looking up

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at uh that basically the horizon was

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formed by the tree line that it was that

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it was up above and were walking uphill

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to the street so i could cross the

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street and and go home where my home was

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across from the ranch

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and um we're walking it's a sunday night

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in peak skill and all of a sudden i see

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something rise above the tree line it

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could have come overhead and i didn't

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see it over my head but by the time i

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saw it it was above that tree line right

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was lit up with all these different

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and i was sitting there going holy

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this looks like a close encounters of

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the third kind but there's no music

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you know what i mean it was like there's

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no noise yeah there's no noise i mean

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the best stories i've heard out there

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are like andy and luis jimenez have uh

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andy andy uh mcgrillen chilling with

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mcgrillen and um those guys have great

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stories this really this thing sort of

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floated away

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and it floated over in the direction of

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where james is from mohegan lake

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over near yorktown heights and yorktown

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heights was

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there are some great narratives uh in

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the hudson valley ufo books about the

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yorktown heights police officers phoning

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in uh triangular craft i saw a rear

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aspect so i did not see the shape

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i saw something that lit up the sky

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totally silent

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not the goodyear blimp over peak skill

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on a sunday night with no football game

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especially since yeah uh football was

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probably a good 60 miles away in jersey

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so anyway

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so that that's what happened and um

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that was probably the first time that i

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started thinking about

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beyond the mathematical equation of wow

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there must be something else in the

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universe something you probably thought

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about right yeah oh my god of course

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you say that it was quite lit up and

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could it have been a triangle like

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looking from the back just seeing that

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flat edge or could it have been a disc

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well i don't want to

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put anything into the story that i

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didn't see or don't remember sure

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couldn't and and rear aspect

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uh meant that

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i'm seeing it floating away so i'm not

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seeing the dimension of it where i could

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get underneath and do one of these

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and see what shape that craft was

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or see

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right or get any any information like

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that i just saw

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and just like holy dude there's a

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ufo so i found this gentleman uh kenny

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good after

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20 i never told my mother never told my

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father never told my brother never told

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my wife and tell anybody

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um because we agreed right there that if

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we're having a sleepover and i was like

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if i tell

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they're going my father's going to think

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i'm lying or making it up and i don't

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want to be made a fool of

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so let's just not talk about it it's

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very difficult to kind of get to sleep

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that night

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thinking about it

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and um i didn't talk about it until

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about 2010

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when i was just one year from retiring

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from the air force i called kenny from

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facebook i got his number

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and i said hey dude within a minute of

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being on the phone was like hey dude did

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that happen like did i dream that he

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goes no man that happened

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that totally happened

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and in relation sorry go on go on no no

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well just just just to finish it up i

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ended up i was doing an mma i've been

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podcasting about mma for probably like

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11 years

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on and off yeah yeah so i was doing an

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mma podcast and we started talking about

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dave fraver and just in the middle of

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talking about dave fraver with my two

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co-hosts mma co-host i just started

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talking about my experience for the

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first time wow it's like coming out of

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the closet so the next episode i called

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kenny good and and i had him on the old

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mma show to talk ufos and then it wasn't

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long after that i just switched formats

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met nathan and started uh calling all

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beings

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that's incredible i had no idea you did

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the whole mma thing you'd get on really

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well with max moskowitz then because he

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he kind of did the same his podcast

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started off talking about the sort of

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fight scene in mma

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wow that's interesting man yep bam so

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i'd love i love max too i'd love to have

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him i i want to get into your

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military career but i do have a little

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surprise for you oh are you ready i'm

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what's going on nathan

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there he is nathan thank you so much for

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doing this i wanted to surprise dj with

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a little uh

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you're playing my own games against me

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this is my game i'm the one that

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surprises people but turnabout is fair

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player right vinnie

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hey you know

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it's all fun and games sometimes in this

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in this thing well nathan

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yeah man yeah

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but nathan you can't stay all night so

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that's right yeah thank you but yeah

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thank you man thank you for jumping in

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because you know your guys show is

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incredible so what we'll do is dj if we

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can talk about the podcast now you and

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nathan and then we can get back to your

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kind of military stuff when nathan

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nathan has to leave but

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yeah so

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how did you two guys meet who decided

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first they wanted to do a podcast based

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around this subject and like where did

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it spring from

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um so i i was uh i had decided that i

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was gonna switch over to ufos i hadn't

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switched the name yet uh but i had andy

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on you know andy and i andy's my first

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friend in the community and we started

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to communicate over whatsapp

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and call one another so and so forth

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um

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and then i uh i had him on one day the

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second time i had him on uh i think i

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had him on i had luis on so i had a

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couple of the big guys right away

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and then um

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nathan called in

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and

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like i'm going to look at you vinnie i'm

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where i'm going

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that's kind of like one of these i'm

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like do you hear this guy he's i'm like

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mate i'm like nathan you know it was

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great having you on i'm going to dm you

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and we're going to talk immediately i'm

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dming this guy and said it was amazing i

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want to have you on again

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so i said will you be my co-host for the

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next episode so we started doing that

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and then finally um it came around i

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said you know uh i i'd like to you know

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you to be my co-host to a show together

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and he came up with calling all beings i

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came up with a really stupid name and it

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turned out

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that it was brilliant so

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there he is

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the guy's amazing he's made my

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um he's everything that i'm not he's

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smart in the areas where i'm not

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um he cares about people and loves

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people the same way that i do

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and that's where we

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we we have a connection we we'd like to

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see people uh happy and we like to make

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them feel well

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about what they're doing with us

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nice man let's hear your side of things

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nathan yeah it's nothing like that

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everything he just said is totally no

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just kidding uh yeah exactly as he's as

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he described and i think

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you know dj is the kind of guy that

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has your back all the time 100 of the

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way all the time and i identified with

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that right away

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and the fact that he was so interested

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in kind of getting this going

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it's something i always wanted to do but

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didn't really have the uh sort of guts

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to take that first step he'd already

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been out there doing his thing and you

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know basically just said hey come with

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me and like reach his hand back come

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with me we'll do this i'm like all right

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well you know why not let let's go so i

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started out in ufo twitter um a few

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years ago

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just as a kind of a lurker account which

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i'm sure a lot of you know a lot of our

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listeners a lot of your listeners you

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know they're just really kind of taking

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in the content right and that's totally

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fine i've been again doing that for

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years

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um

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and when i first started getting into uh

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sort of putting my foot into the uh

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conversation more actively with andy's

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show

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i was not uh sort of

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public facing i still had just kind of

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presenting myself as either a voice or

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an avatar uh didn't go on cam or

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anything and you know dj was sort of

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like subtly like all right now let's uh

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you know come on like

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come outside and play uh and so

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eventually you know i did and here i am

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uh i wanted to echo kind of what he said

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that you know one of our one of the

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missions of our show is to ha is have

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fun first and foremost but but secondly

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i think elevate this conversation in a

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way that makes everybody feel welcome um

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and you know we have i think in a vinnie

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i think i've

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watched your show and i feel like you

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share a similar passion you know for

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that uh the way in which you you know

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you do outreach uh the way that you kind

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of bring people into your community uh

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the way that you interact on on twitter

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i mean it's just obvious i think to us

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you know that you're a kindred spirit in

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that regard because at the end of the

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day this is a conversation that involves

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all of us and i think we don't look at

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this as a

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necessarily as like

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purely entertainment we look at our show

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as a means to have a conversation

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and twitter as great as it is isn't

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really the best place for a conversation

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um you know

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sniping on twitter might feel good but

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it doesn't really help us i come to a

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better understanding uh and and

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ultimately get closer to figuring out

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what this actually is

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yeah well said man i completely agree

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and i do feel like i am a kindred spirit

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you know um

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there's too much negativity and

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you know in this subject where there is

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really no answers yeah but so many

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people find aggression when there's

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disagreements in opinions

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and it's nice to meet people like both

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of you guys who on twitter especially

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just

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give off that that really nice welcoming

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vibe that really just makes you feel

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like you have friends on that space on

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that platform you know so i have to

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thank you both for that but nathan one

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thing about you that i really am aware

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of is that you've been um

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you you you really know your stuff you

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ask a lot of questions i know you've

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been following um andy and dan at that

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ufo podcast for a while and it's funny

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because i just recorded an episode with

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them before this for

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the new kgra show and i think you had

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even had a question in there so

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yeah i hope

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i'm saying this now but when you list

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some other people listen to it later in

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the week it might make sense so i hope i

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did your question

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justice i'm still not used to all this

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recording stuff right nice yeah i

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appreciate it i've been a part of their

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group for a little while um and of

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course was drawn to andy in many of the

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same reasons why you know i'm drawn to

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dj drawn to you

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they do a great job of hosting that

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conversation asking good questions and

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really getting people thinking in a way

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that i think moves this conversation

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forward as opposed to you know just kind

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of pulls out all the the worst elements

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of people

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yeah completely and dj's

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i'm sorry this is your interview but i'm

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going to ask one more big question

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nathan i i appreciate it

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he's i love nathan and he's going to be

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a huge person in this community he

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really is i agree but nathan i have to

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ask have you ever had a sighting or an

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experience

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no i haven't and this is sort of part in

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part i guess what drives me to the

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subject to begin with so i know people

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are driven to it because they've had a

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sighting i'm driven to it because i

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haven't uh

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you know i grew up in a

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a very religious kind of household

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not a

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i had to kind of qualify that statement

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i think a lot of people

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when they think about religion

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particularly religion in america they

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have a very sort of

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monolithic view of what that might look

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like but the house that i grew up in was

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um very sort of academically open-minded

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you know so even though i had a strong

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religious kind of context i was

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encouraged to

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explore and ask questions and be curious

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and and have doubts and all those kinds

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of things

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so i grew up with a strong affinity for

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uh religion and religious tradition all

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that kind of thing and and wanted a

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connection

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with those greater

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things

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uh as i grew older and pursued that in

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an academic way

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i kind of came to this place where i was

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like you know what i'm in this for the

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for the knowledge for the academics for

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the philosophy of it more so than i'm in

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it

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even though i went to school to study

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this kind of stuff i never really

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made much out of that and kind of turned

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away from those

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beliefs and faith concepts in my in my

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adult life

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this subject ironically has brought me

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back to being more uh sort of open to

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the mystical uh to the unknown you know

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there was definitely a period of my life

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a good chunk of it where i was more of

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an atheist

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uh more of an agnostic

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you know really downplayed a lot of the

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historical kind of uh

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mystical things in christianity or

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whatnot said you know all that that's

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just kind of metaphor or it's uh you

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know it's just embellishment or whatever

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but this subject has kind of turned the

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tables on all that and gonna maybe look

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at all those things with sort of fresh

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eyes and say okay wait a minute maybe

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ancient people weren't just you know

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making up stories you know maybe there

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was something to

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these sightings and experiences

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that ties into what we are seeing today

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with aspects of the phenomenon

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absolutely man really well said i could

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see why you are natural on a podcast man

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heart bubble emojis every time i listen

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to this man talk heart bubble emojis are

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floating around my head amazing we're

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gonna have a divinity round table vin i

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hate to say vin twice in the same

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sentence but i did

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we're gonna have a vinnity round

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uh nathan dr diana pasulka

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and ufo twitter's own exo academian uh

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and

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all both exo

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and nathan

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and dr pasulka obviously have all been

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to

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through the master's level in in

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religion and higher in her case so uh

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i'm going to be there like this

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dude i i know what you mean i'm actually

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reading her book american cosmic at the

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briefly a couple of weeks ago obviously

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trying to get onto the show

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um

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it will happen hopefully

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this side of christmas but um

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yeah this is a new aspect of the

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phenomena in the relation to

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christianity and all religions in a way

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that i've

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just

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started to think about and touch upon so

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very interested to see that aspect and

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it's kind of a little segue into

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something i wanted to talk about with dj

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tonight but nathan while you're here

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last night we saw the future in space

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um forum so i mean it was very religious

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based when you're looking at the place

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that it was set in and and some of the

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people there

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doing the introductions and the speaking

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and that

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do you think that there is kind of some

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acceptance where this is all coming

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together where

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you know all religions can live

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alongside the possibility of you know

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extraterrestrial life and things outside

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of the cosmos and maybe becoming closer

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together in the future either of you can

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answer that as well

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i've this is going to save nathan a

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phone call where i call him and ask him

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this question so

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go ahead nathan

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yeah

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watched last night um

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for a number of reasons but you know the

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way that i think about this question is

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um

555
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is from the standpoint of of story you

556
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:16,559
know so human beings

557
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,280
we

558
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,520
navigate our lives through stories you

559
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,919
know we we situate our present in a

560
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,520
story you know i came

561
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,440
from these parents in this town and i do

562
00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:26,960
this and i'm going to be doing this in

563
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:28,320
the future that those are my hopes and

564
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:29,360
dreams

565
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,760
in the past in human human past you know

566
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:33,679
we've had lots of different stories on

567
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,159
the planet that have organized our lives

568
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,559
and organized our societies

569
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,400
in you know really

570
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,159
complex ways they've allowed us to kind

571
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,679
of level up they've been an operating

572
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,440
system like a software that have leveled

573
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,760
up our cultures to accomplishing some

574
00:20:53,669 --> 00:20:50,159
amazing things but as we moved into the

575
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,679
20th century and in the 21st century now

576
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,360
we've kind of abandoned and jettisoned

577
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,520
those those ancient stories and and the

578
00:21:02,549 --> 00:20:59,679
falloff rate of belief in those ancient

579
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,559
stories is only increasing over time as

580
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:04,240
we have kind of moved towards a

581
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,760
scientism

582
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,679
of faith in our science and we have good

583
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,360
reason to have faith in our science our

584
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:11,679
science has accomplished a lot you know

585
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:13,120
a great deal

586
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,679
at the same time i think we find that

587
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,720
it's

588
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:18,559
while it does a lot for us it doesn't

589
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,679
sort of satisfy the deeper needs of of

590
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,880
the human

591
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,559
condition right

592
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,880
and so this subject for me

593
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:28,640
what it what it presents is an

594
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,280
opportunity for us to not only learn

595
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:33,280
more about the nature of reality but

596
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,880
find a story

597
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:36,720
that is

598
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,200
that we have left behind us you know the

599
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,360
story is going to take our human

600
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,440
civilization not just our

601
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,520
small little pockets of civilization but

602
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:50,159
our entire world civilization to another

603
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,280
place

604
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,760
that we haven't been before and and last

605
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,360
night i think was a great illustration

606
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,640
of how that is

607
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,240
achievable i think a lot of people

608
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:00,480
resonated with that

609
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,799
sort of dialogue in part because of

610
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,159
where they held it i know there are a

611
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,559
lot of conflicting opinions about that

612
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,480
at the same time but there's something

613
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,720
to be said for

614
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,760
having a a conversation in a space that

615
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,720
is

616
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,280
designed around an experience or a

617
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,000
feeling and cathedrals are literally

618
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,240
designed when you walk in the doors of a

619
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,640
cathedral your eyes are going to go to

620
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:27,120
the ceiling like that is it is it is a

621
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,159
space

622
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,080
that is designed to

623
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,880
bring space into your life like to to to

624
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,799
elevate your your mind and consciousness

625
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,360
to this broader experience what a

626
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,520
perfect place to have that conversation

627
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,200
you know to have the conversation about

628
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,000
space and and how the future of humanity

629
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,240
in space what that means for all of us

630
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,400
like it's i know people think like oh

631
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:50,880
like this is a weird sort of merger of

632
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,600
state and religion but really i see it

633
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,400
more as a jumping off point it's like

634
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:58,640
we're kind of we're kind of passing the

635
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:01,280
baton you know from the old story to the

636
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:03,440
new and it's gonna have to take place at

637
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,120
this sort of transitional

638
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,360
uh space

639
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,720
dj

640
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,320
and you know what's interesting if you

641
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,720
read pillars of the earth by ken follett

642
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,159
uh see nathan thought i didn't read

643
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,559
books but uh but if you read that it

644
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:18,400
really does take

645
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,710
when you read pillars of the earth it

646
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,960
does take you structurally inside a

647
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,360
church and you can see and feel exactly

648
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,679
what nathan was talking about when they

649
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:35,760
described the construction of a

650
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,840
cathedral how it's built how you're

651
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,919
supposed to feel like he said you know

652
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:41,840
when you walk in and your eyes go up and

653
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,159
there's some very specific and i think

654
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,400
the uh character's name was tom bilder

655
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,679
obviously you know in england that

656
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:49,360
that's what his name would have been

657
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,880
back then because he was a he was a

658
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:52,559
church builder he had

659
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,640
you know the uh the square and all those

660
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,960
different tools that uh a mason would

661
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,600
have yeah so anyway really fascinating

662
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:02,320
but relative to the the discussion of it

663
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,840
what i find interesting about it is that

664
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,240
religions haven't you know in yoga we

665
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,559
talk about making space so it's like i

666
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,960
have a belief system but nathan's going

667
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,720
to come up outside me and i need to

668
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,440
create space that nathan can get in

669
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,440
there with his belief system and i can

670
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,520
say you know maybe look at that belief

671
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,760
system go okay yeah you know that makes

672
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:25,840
sense i gotta if not take it in whole in

673
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,559
part you know into my thinking and

674
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,880
religiously you know i went to my wife's

675
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:33,039
baptism and all they were singing about

676
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,720
it was like a month or two ago nathan

677
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,480
remembers that they're singing about our

678
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,320
god is the number one god and all this

679
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,679
kind of stuff and i'm kind of just like

680
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,880
oh man

681
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,880
you know i hate that kind of talk our

682
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:45,360
god is the number one god i you know

683
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:46,559
i mean i would never say that to

684
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,320
somebody who's muslim or or or jewish or

685
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:52,640
buddhist or from another faith

686
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,679
and so it will be interesting if ufos is

687
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,480
an area where some of the theologians

688
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,720
are going to create space they might

689
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,640
not have wanted to create space for

690
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,000
islam

691
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:05,840
or for uh

692
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,279
judaism or or catholicism but maybe this

693
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,159
new uh offshoot they're going to create

694
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:14,159
space to let that get in there and i

695
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,400
think that'll be fascinating if they do

696
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,080
if they do that which they haven't done

697
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,679
for traditionally other systems of

698
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,360
belief

699
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,840
well said man love that

700
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,200
what did you think buddy either if you

701
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,440
think about the fact you know going into

702
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,559
the this

703
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,880
the whole religious

704
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,640
platform that they were in the building

705
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,159
and all that religious

706
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,840
symbolism that was around them and then

707
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,400
we had dni avril haynes

708
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,520
opening up talking about uap i mean

709
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:43,200
i stayed up late it was like gone

710
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,159
midnight i had to and it even though it

711
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,480
didn't go in depth

712
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:50,000
and we didn't hear it or learn anything

713
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,120
new it's

714
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,039
still in a way blew my mind because of

715
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,200
what it represented did you guys get

716
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:57,039
anything like that from it as well or is

717
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:58,400
it just me

718
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,919
no i think so for sure i think

719
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:03,039
the

720
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,000
would say that so

721
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,240
uh because most people

722
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,559
are not comfortable in a space like that

723
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,559
now avril haynes is comfortable being in

724
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,480
public she's she's comfortable speaking

725
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,720
about her area specialty she wouldn't be

726
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,080
where she was if she couldn't do those

727
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,520
kinds of things but even the powerful

728
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,440
are made to feel low

729
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:31,600
in a space like that

730
00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,480
and

731
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,120
they're that is intentional like even

732
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,919
even the the the priests or whoever that

733
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:40,000
that's that spend a lot of their time

734
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,120
there

735
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,000
they also feel small in a space like

736
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:46,720
that and so i think it is a great sort

737
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:48,080
of um

738
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,600
uh

739
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,000
sort of unifying has it has a force

740
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,159
where it sort of unifies or flattens the

741
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,159
human experience and it it sort of

742
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,080
strips away the titles even though these

743
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,000
people are on stage and we know you know

744
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:02,000
they're they're very elevated people in

745
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,360
their professions

746
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,320
it it sort of brings them low to the

747
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:08,240
status of the congregation they're the

748
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,159
the people who came to be there for that

749
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,919
talk and so when you're when you're

750
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,679
doing that when the space is doing that

751
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,679
it also puts the speakers in a place

752
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,440
where they then have to think of okay

753
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:18,880
wait a minute i'm talking about this

754
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:21,600
important thing but it impacts me on a

755
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,399
personal level not on a you know a state

756
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,480
level programmatic level how does it

757
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,600
affect me as a person and i think avril

758
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,039
you know she had her talking points but

759
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,799
you could see that she wasn't i didn't

760
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,399
think she was really that either

761
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,320
prepared or that comfortable talking

762
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,760
about the subject and i know a lot of

763
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,240
people read into the reasons why

764
00:27:44,190 --> 00:27:41,440
um

765
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,200
but i still think that this topic is

766
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,159
destabilizing you know even if you

767
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:48,080
haven't come to your conclusions it

768
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,520
destabilizes your your long-held beliefs

769
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,720
which is why

770
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,240
a lot of people feel so much more

771
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,559
comfortable attributing when they see

772
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,080
something like a

773
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,000
tic tac to say oh it's human because

774
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,720
they can contextualize it i feel safe i

775
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,799
know what it is i know who's operating

776
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,640
it or tangentially who's probably

777
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,880
operating it

778
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,360
okay i don't have to worry about it's

779
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,520
some intelligence that i have no idea

780
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:14,960
what it's capable of or what its

781
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,360
intentions are so i'm going to defend to

782
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,080
the hilt what makes me feel more

783
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,919
comfortable

784
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:24,320
yeah but that's that's good i think very

785
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,120
good

786
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,720
yeah and i want to say i didn't see

787
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:29,760
avril so i i can't i can't speak to that

788
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,279
i i caught it afterward um so i i can't

789
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,200
comment but the way you contextualized

790
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:37,520
it both of you was uh was what i would

791
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,720
get from uh how i would think that that

792
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,720
uh that that she would react to being in

793
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,480
a space like that and probably not

794
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,000
wanting to spill all the beans and et

795
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,679
cetera et cetera

796
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,000
yeah yeah awesome yeah man well look

797
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,399
guys i have to have to run so vinny and

798
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,559
and dj thank you guys for letting me

799
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,000
join this conversation and hopefully

800
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:58,159
we'll get to do this again sometime on

801
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,440
our show

802
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,760
yes absolutely absolutely

803
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,360
shameless ploy we're putting in a

804
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:05,600
position where you can't say no or the

805
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,799
audience will think you're a big giant

806
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,200
well let's do a show swap we've been

807
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,200
running his show now hillary hillary

808
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,679
yeah i mean i i wanted nathan to bum

809
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:17,279
rush in so i don't know if you had the

810
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,360
same idea but i had already sent him the

811
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,880
zoom length

812
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:23,039
yeah he reached out to me yes i did you

813
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,909
we wanted to see if we could surprise

814
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,159
you but you surprised me as i said

815
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,840
turnabout is fair play

816
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,760
absolutely nathan thank you so much

817
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:37,600
brother man um enjoy the rest of your

818
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:38,320
day

819
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:43,590
[Laughter]

820
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,440
that was awesome man

821
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:47,360
it's not easy being a hard-ass military

822
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:48,399
guy when you're talking about heart

823
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,520
bubble emojis but you know what uh i i'm

824
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,559
a would-be man for all seasons so hey i

825
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,799
love it man everyone's you know i love

826
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,080
that you've got so much depth of

827
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,600
character

828
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,600
i love it absolutely when you talk about

829
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,279
military guys let's let's talk about

830
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,200
that where did that all start what what

831
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,960
made you decide where were you at in

832
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,399
your life when you just like you know

833
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,799
what i'm going to join the military

834
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:12,640
um you know it

835
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,960
real quickly um just just to give you a

836
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,960
little bit of background uh i was a

837
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,279
special ed kid so shout out to all you

838
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,159
ufo fans out there either in the uk or

839
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,600
ua uk or us that are watching vinnie um

840
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:28,080
and if you were a kid that was uh a

841
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,399
special eds kid that was told you're not

842
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,399
smart you're dumb you know you should do

843
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,000
job x because you're probably not

844
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:35,520
capable of why

845
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,640
i'm you

846
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,200
and i'm here to tell you it's all bs you

847
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,520
really can just go for it and decide

848
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,039
you're going to put yourself out there

849
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,760
and you can go and find your dream like

850
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:46,720
i did

851
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,679
and your dream can be far grander

852
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:51,760
than mine was uh

853
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,279
so yeah so basically i was that kid uh a

854
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,120
special ed kid went off to college

855
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,360
decided that i wanted to play football

856
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,760
without any knowledge of football or

857
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,840
having ever played the game and after

858
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:05,200
one year of wrestling in high school i

859
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:06,559
said well if i did that should be able

860
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,679
to do this

861
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:09,679
so i tried out for football lied to the

862
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:13,039
coaches uh that earned me a tryout and

863
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,720
out of about eight or ten of us four of

864
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,039
us made the team and i took that

865
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,559
afterward

866
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,159
my father kind of like ripped me out of

867
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,080
college after a pretty successful first

868
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:24,880
year in the classroom and on the field i

869
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,200
left there believing that i could really

870
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,200
do something that i had never done

871
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:30,559
whether and that was achieve

872
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,760
academically and play a sport like a a

873
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:36,080
college type sport and i proved to

874
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:38,080
myself that i could do that because i

875
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,600
even got invited back for the next

876
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,840
season to to come back to training camp

877
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,519
and that's when my father told me oh by

878
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,279
the way i'm moving to italy you're not

879
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,360
going back see you later it's been real

880
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,120
wow that was the end of my college

881
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,640
career my dream

882
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,480
so i i

883
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,960
um it was a couple of years later um

884
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,880
through working at the mall and moving

885
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,640
from florida to new york i was working

886
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,240
for the state of new york i had a really

887
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:03,039
good job with a 401k and all that neat

888
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,919
stuff

889
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,279
and i said you know what i'd like to

890
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:07,519
serve and i went to speak to a recruiter

891
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,960
about being a reservist a weekend

892
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,480
warrior and he said well i recruit for

893
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,320
active duty are you interested and i

894
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,120
said yeah sure i said if i could do

895
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:17,200
college and and the classroom and

896
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,840
football i should be able to do this so

897
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,799
um

898
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,559
next thing you know i was headed off to

899
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:24,399
basic training

900
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:26,640
two months later uh and said goodbye to

901
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:29,919
my job safe job in new york and um

902
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:31,279
i did uh

903
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:32,799
jet engine mechanics for about eight

904
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,600
years and then i decided that

905
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,519
i'd always been interested in flying

906
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,679
since i was a little boy so i went got

907
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,080
my pilot's license and that took me into

908
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,919
this job in the air force where you

909
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,480
could be an enlisted cat like me but

910
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,480
still be in the flight deck right in

911
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,720
between the pilots involved in all the

912
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,640
action but not having my hand on the

913
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,760
controls

914
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:55,600
as a flight engineer and that that was

915
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,720
the beginning

916
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:59,200
so did you get your pilot's license

917
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,559
privately

918
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,720
separately from that that's incredible

919
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,519
just like mick west jazz hands mick jazz

920
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:07,679
hands

921
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,480
yeah

922
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,399
and as i said it was exponentially

923
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:12,480
easier getting my pilot's license than

924
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:14,159
it ever was being a flight engineer in

925
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,600
the air force by ten a hundred fold

926
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,000
wow that is incredible man i have so

927
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,519
much respect for that

928
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,440
it was fun i love i love it i love

929
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,799
flying

930
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,760
so what

931
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:27,039
what what happened next were you just

932
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,399
not satisfied being that in that

933
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,320
engineer role did you want to

934
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,240
be that person in in the seat with the

935
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,480
hands on the controls well as an

936
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,120
enlisted man you couldn't so at the time

937
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,720
i was going to school working on

938
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,559
becoming an officer and then thinking

939
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,640
about becoming a pilot and when they

940
00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,240
offered when i

941
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,919
i actually had to do some interviews to

942
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,000
get this flight engineer job

943
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,399
and i was like man

944
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:52,720
when it came up i said i'm gonna take it

945
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,600
and and so i became a flight engineer

946
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,919
went off to school and then i did about

947
00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,159
two years of flying c-130s and i came

948
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,320
back from afghanistan the initial

949
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,039
september 11th stuff and they said uh

950
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,640
operation enduring freedom and they said

951
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,440
hey uh we have an opportunity in special

952
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,000
ops down at herbert field in florida uh

953
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,560
flying combat talent twos and i was like

954
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,240
i was already a mechanic on combat

955
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,839
talent who's talking i knew what it

956
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,520
looked like but i didn't have any idea

957
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,200
what they did when they took off i just

958
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:22,960
knew they took off did something came

959
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,079
back so i i grabbed that opportunity

960
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:28,800
went to albuquerque where mr doty's at

961
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,159
took six months of school there um

962
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,159
sitting in class with there was a rhodes

963
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,919
scholar in my class

964
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,800
um

965
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,159
basically

966
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,760
you're not kind of like a flight

967
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,119
engineer going to school with flight

968
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,280
engineers you're a flight engineer going

969
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:45,679
to school with a crew so you have two

970
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,960
pilots a navigator an electronic warfare

971
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,040
officer which is also a navigator but

972
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,679
with some other skills that he uses and

973
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,200
to load masters

974
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,200
so uh which are the guys that deal with

975
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,200
all the soft the special op forces in

976
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,760
the back bring them on bring them off uh

977
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,079
open the door so they can jump air drop

978
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,160
supplies the load masters are in the

979
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:08,400
back doing all of that that's they're

980
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,960
they interface with the seals and the

981
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:12,960
the army soft and the and the marine

982
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,640
corps raiders etc or in some cases

983
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,440
uh british you know sas guys or whoever

984
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:21,599
we happen to be working with right so uh

985
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,839
it's not only u.s um

986
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:25,920
so

987
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,599
guys and was like holy

988
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,760
these guys are so smart and i really had

989
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,320
to put a lot in to learn

990
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,160
how they uh all the stuff that the

991
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,000
airplane had that my

992
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:42,400
past airplane looked just like it but

993
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,000
didn't have all this gadgetry and

994
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,760
terrain following radar that graham will

995
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,320
tell you all about probably uh and all

996
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,240
this other other stuff that uh hey

997
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,520
graham what's up graeme rendell so um

998
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,839
so yeah it had all the kinds of neat

999
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:59,920
stuff on it so i got through that and

1000
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:01,920
then i spent the rest of my career in

1001
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,480
special ops from there flying the combat

1002
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,640
talent to my fave

1003
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,800
and then uh obviously as you wrote on

1004
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:11,119
there the nc one uh the combat spear

1005
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,040
mc-130w and then the ac-130w gunship and

1006
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,920
i got a a good breath but my favorite

1007
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:20,240
was flying around the uk and the talon

1008
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,280
too

1009
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:24,079
wow that's amazing man that really yeah

1010
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,440
so during all this time when you're

1011
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:27,119
getting familiar with your crewmates and

1012
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:29,760
stuff did the ufo subject come up very

1013
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,040
often or at all oh god um so i've i've

1014
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:34,960
told people this is this was never gonna

1015
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,119
come up man this was never gonna come up

1016
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,119
in an earnest conversation

1017
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,640
um i have reached back to one of my uh

1018
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,640
another flight engineer who told me

1019
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,160
about an experience

1020
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,079
that he had in afghanistan ironically

1021
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,480
where he and the pilot saw one but this

1022
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,160
would never was never going to come up

1023
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,040
because if someone would have said oh

1024
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,920
dj's talking about ufos literally you

1025
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,440
might you could get sent to the flight

1026
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,160
dock and then psychologist you your name

1027
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,160
could disappear from the flight schedule

1028
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,160
and the whole thing was whatever i got

1029
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,040
to do to be on the flying schedule

1030
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:11,760
i wanna do i don't wanna be sick i don't

1031
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,720
wanna get hurt anything that that keeps

1032
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,720
you from flying is just is an absolute

1033
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,920
no-no

1034
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:20,160
no okay yeah listen dj i'm losing your

1035
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,520
picture a little bit man i don't know if

1036
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,960
you're having any issues your end that

1037
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,400
you can see

1038
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,560
no but i can go out i can go out and

1039
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,800
switch nets and come back everything

1040
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:30,880
looks perfect on my end but if you need

1041
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,440
me to go out and come back i will

1042
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:35,040
that'd be good man i'm not sure i'll

1043
00:37:38,069 --> 00:37:36,320
check with everyone in the chat while

1044
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,079
you do that just because can i be right

1045
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:40,079
back sorry about that guys okay can

1046
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,440
anyone in the chat let me know if

1047
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,680
nathan's jumping around sorry not nathan

1048
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,079
if dj's skipping around for you as well

1049
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,839
because i was having difficulty there

1050
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,680
with a lot of glitch in and while we're

1051
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,000
here let's say hello to everyone benji

1052
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:55,119
arlene chris ms mr calhoun

1053
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,960
blurry oh let me just

1054
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,640
i missed i think we had a new member as

1055
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,000
well i gotta give a shout out to the

1056
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,680
members thank you so much for your

1057
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,280
support

1058
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,520
uh yeah margaret uh marco negri thank

1059
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,839
you so much for becoming a member man it

1060
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,200
really means a lot

1061
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:11,280
how is everyone oh chris wolford good to

1062
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:14,320
see chris lara

1063
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,079
look everyone's in here

1064
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:20,240
i think i saw dave were you in here dave

1065
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,440
dave partridge ah sean mr sean rush

1066
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:25,599
witness citizen in the house

1067
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:28,320
our nose in here ethereal

1068
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,270
let me just see sound is clear on my end

1069
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,400
did anyone have any

1070
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,400
oh yeah frizzy and jumpy thank you

1071
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:43,040
arlene yeah it happens sometimes uh

1072
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,280
everything looks good like of me from my

1073
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,800
end but

1074
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,240
you never quite know whether where the

1075
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,240
issue lies it could have been my

1076
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:52,079
connection or

1077
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,870
sure and i can join if you want

1078
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,440
um i give me a couple of minutes if he

1079
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,640
doesn't jump back in that would be

1080
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,839
amazing

1081
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:05,599
um i'm sure

1082
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,040
he knows what he's doing he runs a show

1083
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,839
so how's everyone today

1084
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,280
let's get up in the chat what did

1085
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:14,960
everyone else catch the our future in

1086
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,160
space forum last night any thoughts on

1087
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:20,400
that any questions you want to ask dj as

1088
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,280
well

1089
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:23,280
whether it be related to his his

1090
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,960
military service to his ufo sighting

1091
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,440
um yeah anything

1092
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,920
hey i think he's just come back

1093
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,320
brother yeah vinnie

1094
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,520
party people put your hands together

1095
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:39,599
for sheffield zone

1096
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,560
mr vinnie adam

1097
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,839
yes

1098
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,920
can i get a witness

1099
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,599
all right amazing there we go all right

1100
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,440
man you're looking better yeah thank you

1101
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,880
sir looking better i'll let you know if

1102
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,960
it happens again but hey the reason i'm

1103
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:54,320
looking better is for what you're about

1104
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:57,440
to get i'm going to send you a free can

1105
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,520
dj skincare organic skincare formula man

1106
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,760
okay you're going to go to that and

1107
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,280
we'll get you some african black soap

1108
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,480
too man we're going to take care of you

1109
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,640
vinnie all right man you're so kind

1110
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,880
thank you so much man made by these

1111
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,200
hands jazz hands mick you're gonna make

1112
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,720
me look younger

1113
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,880
yeah you're gonna look at 54 man you're

1114
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,480
gonna look like me

1115
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,079
damn actually no i don't want to damn

1116
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,000
you like that so anyway go ahead

1117
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:24,560
no no i don't never you're not 54 are

1118
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:28,560
you i am brother 1967 model man

1119
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:31,490
yeah i have no energy you can tell

1120
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,190
bro you you never cease to amaze me man

1121
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,800
thank you brother

1122
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:42,480
so where were we man yeah well i think i

1123
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,760
was talking about

1124
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,480
the possibility of conversations on ufos

1125
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,520
within

1126
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,839
you and your brothers in service yeah it

1127
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:51,280
didn't happen

1128
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,960
it would have been extremely um

1129
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:56,720
i would have been scared to do it i i

1130
00:41:02,870 --> 00:40:58,800
didn't even get comfortable i i'm scared

1131
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,880
now doing it at work um so i you know i

1132
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,480
then you know wasn't gonna i wouldn't

1133
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,400
never talk to my boss about it

1134
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,680
now no way no way only people that you

1135
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,839
know are into the topic and i'm really

1136
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,359
trying to keep it quiet because i really

1137
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,440
don't want to end up having people

1138
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,800
uh at work see me on youtube or on

1139
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,760
podcasts and and um what their what

1140
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,319
their preconceptions might be about ufo

1141
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,240
people which we're all battling with you

1142
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,480
are too probably to an extent to an

1143
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,319
extent yeah absolutely man but is your

1144
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,040
current job military related

1145
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,839
yes it is yes

1146
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,359
i understand that i just wasn't sure if

1147
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,280
you'd seen any kind of stigma dropping

1148
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,119
in the last few years you know with

1149
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,520
everything that happened in 2017 and the

1150
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:45,440
kind of navy reporting system a year or

1151
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:47,200
two later

1152
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,480
no effect

1153
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,200
i think it's too soon uh at this point

1154
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,800
but i will tell you

1155
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,640
in general terms

1156
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,640
um and i think i've said this to you

1157
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,240
privately but i'll say it

1158
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,000
the dod is taking this very very

1159
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:04,079
seriously

1160
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:05,440
i

1161
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,839
people

1162
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,440
what the air force is being briefed

1163
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,119
about and i go oh that's interesting i

1164
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,960
worked there i'm glad this person who

1165
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,040
doesn't work there knows uh and it

1166
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,920
wasn't that wasn't accurate um

1167
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,960
there is a reporting procedure now again

1168
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,720
i think the navy leads the way but this

1169
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,960
gets to a larger discussion

1170
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,920
vinnie

1171
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,720
that

1172
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,839
um i try to have on spaces and i'll try

1173
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,319
to have it here real quickly

1174
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,119
right if do you what do you understand

1175
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:11,599
the mission of the air force to be

1176
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,109
i mean i suppose that's different than

1177
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,760
the navy to make it to to just frame it

1178
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,440
bring that frame in a little closer that

1179
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,440
would be different than the navy

1180
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,040
that's a very hard question for me

1181
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:26,480
because i would have just put military

1182
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,440
under the dod as a defense organization

1183
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,160
i suppose air force nowadays to me would

1184
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,400
probably be not only

1185
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,800
the skies but space as well

1186
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,079
yes

1187
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,760
which actually would be a different

1188
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,720
discussion in a way because then we'd be

1189
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,790
um

1190
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,800
let's just call it competition with with

1191
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,160
china and russia it's kind of a

1192
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,760
different discussion but let's just talk

1193
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,280
about the skies because you mentioned

1194
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:56,720
skies so we have one organization that

1195
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,240
is able to project power

1196
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,280
air and sea power around the world they

1197
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:04,880
are able to bring

1198
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:07,680
an aircraft carrier 12 miles off the

1199
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,640
coast

1200
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:10,720
which is international waters of any

1201
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,839
country and project air power and you

1202
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:16,400
know that they're there you can't have a

1203
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:19,760
you know a group of pirates there um

1204
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,200
they can uh keep an area where oil would

1205
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:25,119
be perhaps coming out of the

1206
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,640
persian gulf they could keep something

1207
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:29,200
like that safe and deter any aggression

1208
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:33,119
against the distribution of global oil

1209
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,240
but then you have this other

1210
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:35,760
organization called the air force and

1211
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:37,040
the air force

1212
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,119
is charged with dominating controlling

1213
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:43,920
protecting the skies of the united

1214
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,960
states of america all 50 states

1215
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,000
when was the last attack that occurred

1216
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,119
from the air on the united states

1217
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:55,680
i'm gonna obviously go 911.

1218
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,280
okay but that was not an attack as it

1219
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,160
were it was a civilian airliner being

1220
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,079
commandeered and steered into a building

1221
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,160
so that could happen tomorrow if you

1222
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,480
could penetrate that that cockpit door

1223
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,160
or get some i mean that could happen in

1224
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,920
any country so do you mean like an over

1225
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,400
overseas attack exactly a foreign nation

1226
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,760
adversarial

1227
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,119
do you know what i couldn't tell you

1228
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,960
could it be pearl harbor that's right

1229
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,200
december 7th 1941.

1230
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:23,440
um and and if you want to say the

1231
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:25,200
continental u.s i'd say it's never

1232
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,160
happened

1233
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:28,400
uh in the history of air power

1234
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,520
so

1235
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,160
when you talk about

1236
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,960
their craft that are in our skies that

1237
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,960
aren't necessarily flying which actually

1238
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,960
brings us into another discussion and

1239
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,560
andy's actually really brilliant at this

1240
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,960
one but they're moving through

1241
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,760
what

1242
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,359
they're moving through our sky but

1243
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,599
they're not flying the way bernoulli's

1244
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,760
theorem and newton's first and third

1245
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:52,160
laws of motion how we uh we describe

1246
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,200
flying

1247
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,920
newtonian physics so

1248
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:58,800
with that this organization is it in

1249
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,560
their interest to say

1250
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:02,800
yeah hey van this is what's going on

1251
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,200
brother we have some craft flying around

1252
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:09,200
pretty much wherever they want uh we

1253
00:46:16,710 --> 00:46:10,880
have no control over it we can't do

1254
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,710
does that make sense i mean no of course

1255
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,720
not so it's not in their interest you

1256
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,240
know to say that

1257
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,560
uh but then when we go to ro so i

1258
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,480
disagree with how this has been handled

1259
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,319
and that it hasn't been disclosed i

1260
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,040
disagree with roswell because roswell is

1261
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:33,280
a very simple mathematical equation

1262
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,240
almost

1263
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,680
um well i shouldn't say it's a

1264
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,079
mathematical equation but you can look

1265
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,720
at it the way an equation this plus this

1266
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
equals this right but it's not

1267
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,720
mathematical in the truest sense of the

1268
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,200
word but if

1269
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,520
if uh the army air force roswell army

1270
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,599
airfield and major jesse marcel comes

1271
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,880
out one day

1272
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,240
and says

1273
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:57,359
we captured a flying disc at roswell

1274
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:58,480
and then

1275
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,839
24 hours later say oh it wasn't that

1276
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,240
it was a flying balloon

1277
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:07,280
it was a it was a mylar weather balloon

1278
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,319
so

1279
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,880
which is the one would you lie about it

1280
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:13,200
being the flying disc

1281
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:16,640
or does it make more sense to lie

1282
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,160
the second time about what it was

1283
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,520
well neither are good i don't know which

1284
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,359
is worse or better in any respect and

1285
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:25,839
you know we know they did it a third and

1286
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,160
possibly even a fourth time fourth time

1287
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,680
yeah

1288
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:31,040
so

1289
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,480
but if you're going to make up a lie

1290
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:34,240
it's not going to be the fantastic thing

1291
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,680
that the base

1292
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:38,000
uh public affairs officer major marcel

1293
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,200
put out

1294
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,200
the first thing

1295
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:42,960
it's going to be the second thing when

1296
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,480
they go what the are you doing marcel

1297
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,480
you need to take that down and we're

1298
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,040
going to put out a different story

1299
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:52,960
and the reason you know that the second

1300
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,119
story isn't true because it doesn't make

1301
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,400
sense

1302
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,800
you don't send deuce and a half full of

1303
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,839
guys out to court 95 miles to this guy's

1304
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,319
ranch and go get the police tape out

1305
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,079
string it all around we're not getting

1306
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,200
anybody within 10 miles of this place

1307
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:11,359
for a weather balloon you you collect it

1308
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,480
up and go

1309
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,240
let's head back to base guys and see if

1310
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,920
we can get grab a good burrito on the

1311
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:17,040
way

1312
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,160
yeah

1313
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,880
no absolutely but you would do that if

1314
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,960
you had something that was fantastic

1315
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,800
that you did not want people to know

1316
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,800
about because it doesn't fit the

1317
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,480
narrative of there's something flying

1318
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,119
that we don't control so i understand

1319
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,520
well i disagree with what they did i

1320
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,440
understand what they did and why they

1321
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,119
did it and we could should be able to

1322
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:39,599
contextualize that i get it i don't

1323
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,520
agree with it but i understand it the

1324
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,599
navy doesn't have that responsibility

1325
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,400
yeah that's not their charge

1326
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,480
no absolutely man

1327
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,319
yeah i see what i'm saying

1328
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,760
yeah absolutely man um

1329
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,440
yeah you're making me think too much and

1330
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,960
when i'm doing a show i shouldn't think

1331
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,160
you know i should just be reading out

1332
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,880
questions and stuff but i like that yeah

1333
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,319
it's a good break very simple if it

1334
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,240
doesn't make sense judge judy says this

1335
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,760
all the time if

1336
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,440
if the story roswell if it doesn't make

1337
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,839
sense it's because it's not true

1338
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:11,040
yeah

1339
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,359
can you talk about the threat narrative

1340
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,319
and the air space hazards and

1341
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,880
why it's not just a scare tactic by the

1342
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,640
government or maybe you think it is i

1343
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,640
shouldn't i shouldn't say it like that

1344
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,880
oh cool no it's not a scare tactic any

1345
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,240
time so when you're in your working

1346
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:33,200
airspace so the navy is having a an

1347
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,480
existential issue with something that is

1348
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,079
that ryan graves said was in our

1349
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,160
training areas which by the way that

1350
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,240
training area moves as the carrier group

1351
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,480
moves that training area is not not

1352
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,880
static because that thing's moving at 17

1353
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:48,319
knots or whatever the hell those things

1354
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,280
move at

1355
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:51,440
um

1356
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,160
so

1357
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:53,839
these things are in our training areas

1358
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,079
every day we could hit one one of them

1359
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,000
split a flight of two you know we've all

1360
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,160
heard that story from lou that it uh it

1361
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,240
nearly collided they had a flight of two

1362
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,839
and they had to break break right and

1363
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,319
left to open up a space for one of those

1364
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,359
uh circling cut those orbs inside a cube

1365
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:11,040
to pass through the middle

1366
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,760
so

1367
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,920
would that result in a class a accident

1368
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,400
where we hit it and and all of a sudden

1369
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,800
now we have wings flying off and and a

1370
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,559
pilot who's falling to his death you

1371
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:21,760
know maybe

1372
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,559
but

1373
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,040
it is an existential problem

1374
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,119
do i think that they're necessarily a

1375
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,640
threat i would kind of go with the

1376
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,400
angeline narrative maybe some of them

1377
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,880
are some of them aren't we don't know

1378
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:34,800
there's so much that so

1379
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:35,520
i

1380
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:39,520
know

1381
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,760
um some of them maybe some of them may

1382
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,040
have our best interests at heart and

1383
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,040
want to shepherders toward actually

1384
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,280
taking good care of this planet and

1385
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:50,880
killing off the fossil fuels and

1386
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,240
starting to uh find a better way to uh

1387
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,880
to power ourselves and consume food and

1388
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,720
power vehicles and then there's some of

1389
00:51:01,589 --> 00:51:00,000
them that might say you know what that's

1390
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,599
a great resource down there they're like

1391
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,079
90 water let's go take this thing

1392
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,920
eventually when we're ready

1393
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:08,800
so yeah the answer is uh we don't know

1394
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,839
but as lou said um and i hate to to

1395
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,160
parrot lou but he makes a lot of sense

1396
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,000
uh you know like i hate to repeat the

1397
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,240
same um

1398
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,319
the same narratives that he does but if

1399
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,079
it's there and we don't know what it is

1400
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,119
and we don't know um what its intentions

1401
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,319
are that means it's not a dynamic threat

1402
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,480
in every instance but it's a potential

1403
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:32,720
threat like potential energy

1404
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,599
yeah

1405
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,400
i completely agree i just wanted to see

1406
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,240
where you stood on that and i'm happy to

1407
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:40,079
hear how you said it um i've got a

1408
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,119
couple more comments saying you're

1409
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,880
jumping and freezing a bit there

1410
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,480
probably isn't much more we can do so i

1411
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,839
think people might just have to put up

1412
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,640
with it i'm sorry sorry amigos

1413
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,240
that's

1414
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,400
sean witness citizen in the house unless

1415
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,079
it was foreign

1416
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,440
now yeah i think you've got a little

1417
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,200
take on that

1418
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,599
concept as well haven't you well lu liu

1419
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,440
hat lou also you know he talks about

1420
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,640
they've been seeing these things since

1421
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,040
the 40s these cylindrical objects that

1422
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,640
operate in very the same manner as the

1423
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:08,079
tic tac

1424
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:09,200
um

1425
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,119
in my opinion uh going with dave fravor

1426
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,760
reading uh the narratives that or

1427
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,280
listening to the narratives or the

1428
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,480
anecdotes

1429
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,960
related by kevin day

1430
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:22,720
by gary

1431
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:24,160
by sean

1432
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,000
by who was looking through the big eyes

1433
00:52:30,950 --> 00:52:28,480
on the deck by the e2 hawkeye

1434
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,960
folks the rare operators

1435
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,880
that has this thing on multiple sensors

1436
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:34,160
doing this thing

1437
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,920
so i don't believe

1438
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,280
that

1439
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,200
okay let's say for a second vinnie let's

1440
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,800
entertain the thought

1441
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,440
of in a laboratory somewhere in the

1442
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:45,920
united states or in the world that

1443
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:48,319
somebody is able to to somehow get

1444
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,359
something

1445
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:52,000
to produce an anti-gravitational

1446
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,440
property and they're able to get it to

1447
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,000
rise and fall they're able to introduce

1448
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,920
electricity or plasma or something there

1449
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:00,000
and they're they're able to get it to

1450
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:02,240
move and then fall down

1451
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,319
is that possible certainly

1452
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:06,160
that could be a thing

1453
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,280
but

1454
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:08,880
operating

1455
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:11,839
in a tactical engagement against an

1456
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:14,800
fa-18 out over the water

1457
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:17,760
in concert with a top gun pilot and

1458
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,079
mimicking his maneuvers that's a whole

1459
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,559
different animal

1460
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,000
and you have said something to me before

1461
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,680
we actually came on live about you've

1462
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,040
seen

1463
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,040
all sorts of aircraft and where they

1464
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,640
come from how they're built and stuff

1465
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:32,319
like that and you think

1466
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:33,520
do you remember that conversation about

1467
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,880
how it's just such a far leap going back

1468
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,800
you know with the knowledge of

1469
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,319
flight

1470
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,880
yes if we i might have to kick be quiet

1471
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:45,280
juicier my cat's in here

1472
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,920
so

1473
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,280
juicy yeah

1474
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:51,910
when you look at the wright brothers and

1475
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:54,559
people will say well you know with the

1476
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,760
wright brother well they don't talk

1477
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,520
about the wright brothers they'll talk

1478
00:54:02,710 --> 00:53:59,760
about well look at the stealth fighter

1479
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,720
man that thing was at area 51 and we

1480
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,319
didn't even know about it and all of a

1481
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,319
sudden it you know it's out there and

1482
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,319
it's bombing in the gulf first gulf war

1483
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,880
okay that's great the stealth fighter

1484
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,280
flies the exact same way as the as the

1485
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:15,680
right flyer did in 1903 and kill devil

1486
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,880
hills north carolina it's the exact same

1487
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,640
it's it's bernoulli's theorem it's

1488
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,640
newtonian physics

1489
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,359
it's those wing forms that that driving

1490
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,680
it forward create lift and then those

1491
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,760
control surfaces that are able to make

1492
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,319
us pitch roll yaw

1493
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,720
dive you know all these sorts of things

1494
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:36,400
right the six degrees of freedom that we

1495
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,520
talk about

1496
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,400
and um

1497
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,119
that hasn't changed and and the aircraft

1498
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,280
that we're buying today still fly with

1499
00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:47,599
the exact same concepts whereas if i

1500
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,480
were to say to you vinnie we had the

1501
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:52,640
sr-71 that made its first flight

1502
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,240
in 1964. how long do you think it took

1503
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:59,280
before the european consortium flew the

1504
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,799
uh sst

1505
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,280
the supersonic transport

1506
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,359
i don't know man i'm not familiar with

1507
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,640
this five years

1508
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,280
really five years until the concord flew

1509
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,040
you know they was doing that london in

1510
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:13,119
new york paris and new york

1511
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,640
flight in three hours or whatever the

1512
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:17,280
hell it was sure so five years we made

1513
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,319
it from

1514
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,640
coming out of area 51 and coming at a

1515
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,720
test and into operational flight

1516
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,880
wherever they were stationed okinawa and

1517
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:27,200
some other places california so on so

1518
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:28,079
forth

1519
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,680
um

1520
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:31,920
sorry does this go from ox car to

1521
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,240
operational sr-71s from the 60s because

1522
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,559
i know it started out as cia ox-cart

1523
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:39,119
didn't it uh i don't know

1524
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:40,720
i know the first

1525
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,599
flight that was announced was 64.

1526
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:46,400
right and so i don't know

1527
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:47,920
i mean it probably started developing in

1528
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,119
58 59 and 16 so on and so forth to be

1529
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,440
able to get the materials the jet engine

1530
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,680
uh at supersonic it has a little bit of

1531
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,760
a different theory that it worked on uh

1532
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,599
from one way back when i went to jet

1533
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,720
engine school

1534
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,520
um

1535
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,520
and then the materials to withstand the

1536
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,119
heat and all this this sort of thing

1537
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,760
right um so five years later you have

1538
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,480
the sst that's also flying supersonic so

1539
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,400
what happens is the military will make

1540
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,119
something and then you'll see how it'll

1541
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:17,200
transfer into the civilian world or it

1542
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,280
will inform other technologies that the

1543
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,799
military is using

1544
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:22,960
this is so ridiculous because we haven't

1545
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:24,319
moved anywhere

1546
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,520
we still need ailerons rudders to steer

1547
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,359
ailerons to roll

1548
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,119
elevators to pitch

1549
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,520
right we still need all these exact same

1550
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:35,839
flight control surfaces to fly and even

1551
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:38,480
a helicopter what it what does the faa

1552
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:42,079
or the rae call uh helicopters rotary

1553
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,079
wing because what shape is that rotor

1554
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,200
blade it's the shape of a wing so now we

1555
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,839
pitched that blade sure but still it's

1556
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,240
designed to create lift just as it is as

1557
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,119
a wing form of that tear drop shape i'm

1558
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,559
not going to get into bernoulli's

1559
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,119
theorem on here uh and how it works uh

1560
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,799
with velocity increase and pressure

1561
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,680
decreases that basically the air that uh

1562
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,280
the with the shape of the wing the air

1563
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,119
that goes over the wing

1564
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,280
travels faster than the air that goes

1565
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,119
under the wing so that creates a low

1566
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,799
pressure area on top of the wing and

1567
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:14,880
there you have lift

1568
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,920
the f-35 flies exactly like that

1569
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:21,680
and the aircraft so if this thing was

1570
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,920
flying around in 2004

1571
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:25,680
like that

1572
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:26,480
with

1573
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:28,640
no sign of propulsion

1574
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,839
no control surfaces to steer with

1575
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,760
able to jam radar but no visible

1576
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,400
emitters on the outside of this craft

1577
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,720
okay so we're looking at it and i don't

1578
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:41,359
see emitters but when i see a british

1579
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:45,920
tornado or i see uh an f-35 or an f-22

1580
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,680
or a sukhoi 27 or skoi 29 i know what

1581
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,000
the emitters look like the jam radar

1582
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:54,160
but yeah yeah this thing doesn't have

1583
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,280
any of that

1584
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,040
17 years ago

1585
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:59,200
and yeah and

1586
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,559
so i was just going to say you had a top

1587
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,319
secret sci clearance as well do you

1588
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,440
think you would have heard things in

1589
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,280
back channels if they were doing things

1590
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,200
behind the scenes no i wouldn't have

1591
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,880
heard anything about it because i didn't

1592
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,200
have a need to know and lewis has told

1593
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:13,040
you guys about that that you can have

1594
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,480
the clear i could have a clearance that

1595
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,480
i could have gotten right into that but

1596
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,599
i missed that final ingredient necessary

1597
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,440
for me to know about a technology like

1598
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,160
that was the need to know whereas if i

1599
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:27,520
were to go over to area 51 and say hey

1600
00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,119
guys do you need to know what's going on

1601
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,520
with us and joint special operations and

1602
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,760
how we're interacting with certain uh

1603
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,640
tier one uh tier one ground forces that

1604
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,799
we don't even need to name and they

1605
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:41,119
would say uh no they don't even need to

1606
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,319
know about that they might have the

1607
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,079
clearance to know about it

1608
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,760
but they don't have a need to know which

1609
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:47,920
is how they were able to obfuscate

1610
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,079
things from lou and his team because

1611
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,880
somebody has decided there are programs

1612
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,359
out there and there are things out there

1613
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,359
that he didn't need to know about which

1614
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,680
is unfortunate

1615
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,079
because he did need to know so

1616
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,400
the whole construct vinnie is and we've

1617
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,520
talked about this on spaces before

1618
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,280
are there any reports of concord pilots

1619
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,839
to ufos wonder given it was supersonic

1620
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,680
aircraft then others would be a little

1621
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:16,000
bit curious yeah the problem is that the

1622
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,319
concorde made an enormous amount of

1623
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,720
noise there was a lot of noise abatement

1624
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:22,240
things that that were going on at the

1625
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:25,760
time coming into jfk and laguardia and

1626
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,559
and one of the things that separates uap

1627
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,000
from um

1628
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:32,960
from aircraft is there's an enormous

1629
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,720
amount of um of noise and now we have

1630
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,319
something that makes no noise and

1631
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:40,160
doesn't have an ir signature

1632
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,440
and that

1633
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:43,599
absolutely blows my mind also it's

1634
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,720
omnidirectional so with us we basically

1635
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,720
take an aircraft engine and we trust

1636
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,799
mount it inside of a wing

1637
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,799
and we bolt it and then what happens is

1638
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,280
as the aircraft pushes and comes forward

1639
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,839
it pulls the aircraft through space

1640
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,319
essentially it's bolted on the front the

1641
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,000
trusses are in the wing and you bolt the

1642
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,240
engine to those trusses so it's mono

1643
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,599
directional

1644
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,520
now the thrust might vector and help you

1645
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,559
steer it but it's mono directional

1646
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,799
this tic tac thing is omnidirectional it

1647
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,880
could go up at the same velocity down at

1648
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:17,040
the same velocity so it's able to

1649
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,839
project propulsion in any direction it

1650
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:21,200
wants

1651
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:22,319
at just

1652
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,079
a blink of an eye and come to a stop

1653
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:29,119
and anybody inside would absolutely be

1654
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,400
collapsed

1655
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,480
it would look like you took the ladle at

1656
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:34,960
domino's pizza and took that pizza sauce

1657
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,240
and slathered it against the wall

1658
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,920
i like the analogy

1659
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,960
one man

1660
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:44,400
um

1661
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,760
well listen we've just about hit the

1662
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:48,240
hour mark that is okay blown by man it

1663
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,760
has listen

1664
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,440
let's do this again sometime man

1665
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,000
definitely have to do this again man

1666
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,880
um it's a shame that you're

1667
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,440
blurring a bit tonight that's really

1668
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,720
everyone wants to see your beautiful

1669
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:02,319
face man

1670
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,200
what can i say i have a face for radio

1671
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:06,960
now vinnie on the other hand this is a

1672
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,109
but you're going to come on calling all

1673
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,200
beings we're going to cut it off

1674
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:17,920
any time man just say your word

1675
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,160
absolutely brother listen before you go

1676
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,160
man tell everyone where they can find

1677
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:24,079
you follow you support you and all that

1678
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,680
good stuff okay so our um our youtube is

1679
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,440
uh calling all beings

1680
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,960
and um

1681
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:33,280
we have a also a show twitter that's

1682
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:34,000
call

1683
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,480
underscore beings

1684
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,640
so uh we'd be honored to have you nathan

1685
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:49,119
is brilliant uh the people that know me

1686
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,720
there's a lot of people a lot more

1687
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:52,319
people they're going to know nathan

1688
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,839
because he's not going to annoy as much

1689
01:01:57,750 --> 01:01:56,160
as i do and i didn't even get through i

1690
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:57,760
didn't even get through the navigation

1691
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,559
of the tic-tac compared to how we gps

1692
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:01,599
navigate

1693
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,319
uh how we uh use traffic collision

1694
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,960
there's so many aspects of flight

1695
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,039
that this thing can do

1696
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:11,039
that i know the technologies that we're

1697
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:13,039
buying and using

1698
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,480
that i know what we're buying right now

1699
01:02:19,029 --> 01:02:16,319
and they're nowhere close to this

1700
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,039
so that's how i i would i would bet my

1701
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,200
life uh against somebody who says this

1702
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:23,359
is definitely human tech i bet my life

1703
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,200
on it it's it's not not 21st century

1704
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:29,599
contemporary humans maybe

1705
01:02:34,950 --> 01:02:32,960
your future us i can totally believe it

1706
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:34,960
dude we've got to do part two we've got

1707
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,240
to do it

1708
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,160
we'll i'll dm you after or tomorrow and

1709
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,480
we'll get that set up man because yeah

1710
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,240
i'll be back you're coming on calling

1711
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:44,000
all being smite

1712
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,750
yes mate i cannot wait i really can't

1713
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,799
thank you brother

1714
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:54,880
it's an honor to speak with you hey it

1715
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,480
means so much to me thank you for being

1716
01:03:01,029 --> 01:02:59,280
such a good friend um and i appreciate

1717
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,039
you so much in this in this

1718
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,599
crazy world that we're all a part of so

1719
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,760
yeah hang about we'll say goodbye to

1720
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:06,960
everyone here and we'll have a little

1721
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,200
debrief after the fact but let's just

1722
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,119
say thank you to everybody in the live

1723
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:13,359
chat uh i appreciate every single one of

1724
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,480
you you all just consistently supporting

1725
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:19,280
this channel and for anybody new you are

1726
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,160
so welcome and i appreciate every single

1727
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,480
comment every question and and just

1728
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:27,200
everything so yeah guys until next time

1729
01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:28,839
we will see you